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ZOR the old dinosor
"KING MOTHER-FUCKER" (Motherofuckus rex)
Gonna make like an alligator & drag ass on outta here.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe" -- Albert Einstein

As far as I know this site is running pretty much the same version of its bulletine board software now as it did when the site first got started (which actually was before my time here).

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ZOR the old dinosor
"KING MOTHER-FUCKER" (Motherofuckus rex)
Gonna make like an alligator & drag ass on outta here.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe" -- Albert Einstein

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Another adult-child post that would not be allowed here today.

She was sitting watching television in her night gown and looked delicious. I kept getting a view of her sexy legs and when she complained about her feet I offered a massage.

While massaging her feet my cock got hard as her night gown flung open and I now had a full view of her sexy legs. It wasn't long and my hands moved up to massage her calves with her foot resting on my erection.

With her eyes closed she began massaging my cock with her foot and my hands moved further up savouring her silky thighs until I was fingering her. I removed my pants and felt her sexy feet on my exposed cock.

I then moved over her undoing her night gown and placed my cock on her now exposed vagina. We began kissing, as I slowly slid my cock into her. My cock was slowly sliding in and out of her as I began licking her hardened nipples. We had sex many times after that too.

When the posts are illegal or against our rules we delete them. There is nothing wrong with asking someone when they started having sex?

I tried to read all three pages, but I just couldn't make it. By the time, the eighteenth person said they had sex with 5 year olds, I was ready to puke.

Personally, I don't like to bash people unless they deserve it, but I really really really hate pedophiles. I hate them with a passion. I understand being 12, and your cousin, or sister, or brother is 11, 12, 13, 14. That's kool, but being 9 and your dad is 37 is just plain sick.

I first started in incest when I was 12 with my sister. Through the course of my life, I had affairs with other members of my family who weren't too far from my age. Now, I look back on it, and I wanna shoot myself because of how thoughtless, and disgusting that truly was. It's not the sexual pleasure that I think about when I regail on it. It's the mental torment that I think I might've caused to my younger cousins, who didn't know any better.

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Originally posted by b4rry:
Another thing, Loverofmom: Talking about things that happened in the past is okay here. Talking about adults and kids sexually together right now is not allowed.

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Come on Barry,you are not saying people should not be accountable for things they did 30 years ago are you?

or is it just this site who claims to be hard on pedophiles encouraging them to come here to read stories of underage sex.

I see no difference between reading about something that happened yesterday than what happened 30 years ago.

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Originally posted by Guyyre:
Chloe,

You are more than welcome, for my part!

There is so much interfering, and off-putting judgement on this board, and in this world, that judging anyone is a waste of my time.

If someone is doing something alarming, it seems more productive, to me, to make them more aware of the impact of their actions, and ask them if that is really what they want....Like judging someone on a forum is going to change their behavior!! Puhleese!

Karen's apparant inconsistency is a non-issue for me. Based on results, this is a good board. I have more meaningful, and substantial extended discussions on this board than any of the others.

Guyre

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Note: I still intend to allow a little 'play' round the age of 18, but only a matter of months and only where the context in no way sounds like pedophilia. Additionally, posts by the subjects of adult-child sex that in no way glorify or can be contrued to encourage pedophilia will still be allowed. Specifically, I'd hate to see rule enforcement prohibit our helping those seeking advice over traumatic events in their young lives.

Jenni, do you want to say anything on any of this?

This site was in pretty good shape before you asked me to help you moderate. It just seems to me that we are more mediators than moderators, which might not be a bad thing, just something that will take me a bit of getting used to. I believe there is a line that is drawn and the more you let people walk on the line, the quicker the line disappears.

That being said, I will assume that since Karen seems to either allow this, or at least accept it, that I will have to do the same thing, difficult as it may be for me.

What I don't want is for this site to get a reputation for being soft on pedos. I mean, after all, the warning on the home page, PEDOPHILES AND MINORS ARE *NOT* WELCOME AND WILL BE REPORTED!, was put there for a reason. I just hope the reason isn't just to cover one's ass legally.

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Originally posted by CAPTIANM:
Age started having incest - 10
did you like it - Some of it
do you like younger or older partners - Older
if youve had incest with a younger partner who and what happened

Will you continue have sex with partner
last did they want like or dislike and will you keep it going if they dont

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Originally posted by lil' bro:
i was 3 when it first happened ( whoa ), and at first i didnt know what was going on, but was told to be more quiet about it than anything ever. it seemed the parties involved liked it, yet guilt strikken.
it continued to happen up until i was about 11 years old.
this is certainly something that has shaped me, and had the most influence on my relationship life as a teen & adult.

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3? Are you pulling our collective legs? I mean, how can you call it sexual when it was really nothing more than someone being physical with the body parts you'd years later be using in sex? Also, how can you remember much from that age?

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Originally posted by InaDK:
Age started having incest - 10
did you like it - Some of it
do you like younger or older partners - Older
if youve had incest with a younger partner who and what happened

Will you continue have sex with partner
last did they want like or dislike and will you keep it going if they dont

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Originally posted by b4rry:
So, how old are you now? And how much older were those 'partners'?

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I started my time as moderator here somewhat unwillingly. In fact, I was tiring of IB at the time, just as many others were, although not for completely the same reasons.

When I first found the Incest Board it was only a year or so after I'd returned to single living. Being around 50 at the time I was in the middle of looking back on the threads of interest and activities in my life so far, one of which was incest. Not even a major one, in fact. What I found here was rather alien to me since much of it sounded on what the verge of what would since then usuall be identified as quasi-pedophilic. Nonetheless, a character called 'Daddy' had just arrived ahead of me, and he had made a couple interesting posts. I responded, not knowing that he and myself would soon come to dominate the site. However, between us and Hans, Guyyre and others, we built this place into a site that was open to and even encouraged thoughtful posts.

That spirit remains today, thankfully. However, its continuance is always in doubt. The worst threats to it seem to have come during periods when the quest for purity has been prevelent, since the questors seem to inevitably rankle others enough that flame wars erupt.

Now, you should also know that after the launching IB, Karen participated here less and less. could it be that she felt the site was staying okay without her regular participation? Who knows? Nonetheless, the case could be made that her lack of regular participation allowed much of IB's history to occur the way it did.

So at the end of the fall '05 flame war Karen asked for nominations for another moderator here. I was the person most frequently nominated. [sigh] So when offered the position, I thought about it and finally accepted. But since Karen had never been completely clear about rules or what I was to do, I stepped in making it clear I would be her assistant. Besides, I knew the site is not mine, so I had no intention of taking any of the management's legal liability onto myself.

So, yes, I have tended to be on the allowing side, somewhat like Karen has been.

This is not entirely "turning the other cheek", though. For instance, many times people simply do not construct their posts clearly enough to be absolutely certain whether there's a rule violation or now. Some lack of clarity is due to language skills with English (and not just with those for whom English can readily be understood as not their native tongue) and some probably intentional. But I'm experienced enough in the world to know that the appearance of something in my eyes doesn't necessarily mean the fact of that something in someone else's life.

I also know thatto have free speech everyone has to allow differences in what's said (or at least within boundaries). So, yes, I mediate first, and moderate later. I guide as far as I can instead of trying to actively control in some fashion. I feel that leads to more diverse discussions and more people feeling they have a stake in this place's continuing success.

Nonetheless, I try keeping my eyes watchful for things that clearly cross the line of what rules this site has (and occasionally find it well worthwhile to tighten the rules a bit).

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Originally posted by InaDK:
am 14. partners.. adults was 35- 60 I guess

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InaDK,

You are too young to be posting at the Incest Board.

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Originally posted by b4rry:
InaDK,

You are too young to be posting at the Incest Board.

[b]BYE[/B]

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[This message has been edited by Big Daddy69 (edited February 23, 2007).]

The rules clearly state that no pedophiles are allowed, and anyone who professes to be doing sexual things to children should indeed be banned. But the majority of the posts I see aren't so bold. What's in question are those posts that AREN'T in clear violation, but that touch on the subject somehow. If someone talks about something that happened to them at a young age, it's not the same as saying "I fuck my 3 yr old," and the former SHOULD be allowed to tell their story.

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Originally posted by InaDK:
so sorry.. but think not

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It actually pained me to go back through this thread yesterday and add comments to so many posts, but I think doing that is far better than going back and altering history just to suit the present. I would be adamently against having to delete every past post that violated present rules; its too fascist/ultra right wing for my taste.

Nonetheless (I sure use that word alot, don't I?),

EVERYONE:

I think it would be wise for me and Jenni to henceforth delete (yes, delete) any post talking about sex between someone under 17 and over 19, and to do so immediately, without asking questions or giving notice -- with one exception wherein the sex is not glorified in any way nor writed in such a way as to encourage others to have such contacts. So I'd give a margin close to the dividing point (which may not be legally wise but probably is more responsive to reality) and I'd give room for "victims", the confused and the remorseful.

I'm even tempted to now close this thread, or at least to close any future attempts to start similar threads.

By the way, I want to be particularly careful about posts that sound like the person is challenged using English. Even though we must have rules that apply universally, we needn't enforce them simply because someone misspoke English out of its being non-native to them. Likewise, I realise that having to have universal rules may make outcasts of some with extensively different cultural backgrounds from the Amero-Euro-Australian world. But a universal site has to have some univesal boundaries which, like it or not, must be enforced (just hopefully with some real measure of humanity).

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B4rry said: S2D,
It actually pained me to go back through this thread yesterday and add comments to so many posts, but I think doing that is far better than going back and altering history just to suit the present. I would be adamently against having to delete every past post that violated present rules; its too fascist/ultra right wing for my taste.

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B4rry, I couldn't have said that more eloquently, or have agreed with it more--you described my feelings on this matter to a tee. So why, then, would you go back and "delete (yes, delete) any post talking about sex between someone under 17 and over 19"??? Since you're asking for our two cents worth, I'll say that I think you're acting under pressure, and shouldn't.

I vote for the Circle Jerk.

I vote against deleting anything other than that which describes or even implies sex between an adult and child. I would even agree it necessary to ban or suppress child sex fantasies as well, because to air such fantasies would likely invite encouragement of it.

HOWEVER...to delete intellectual discussion on the subject, to delete one's stated philosophies on the subject (whether for or against), to delete memories of rape, force, child sex, sex that took place as a child...to delete any of that would be...well, very right-wing and highly suppressive...and thusly, a mistake, imo. Just because those things touch upon a forbidden subject doesn't mean that they're wrong, against the rules, or even illegal, for that matter. In fact, for many, such discussions can be cathartic and therapeutic.

Mho is that a moderator's job on a board like this is to police for lascivious or licentious content with regard to child sex. To simply talk about a subject does not automatically make it licentious. If that were the case, we should ALL get banned for discussing it at all right now. The sign says No Pedophiles Allowed. I'm no pedophile, and I don't support preying on innocent children. But I'm also not afraid to talk about the subject either...nor should YOU be.

OK, if there ever was a run-away posting, it is this one....

Win took a shot across the bow to slow down the flow, but reality is, we should be adults and run away from the ominous damage ahead. I for one, surveyed, dined, digested, and now feel as if I need to regurgitate. So, I have learned not to frequent this establishment (posting) again.

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Originally posted by GoodTimes:
I love being with little girls between the ages of 4 and 16. I started being sexual with my daughter when she was 5. Thats when is noticed her smooth, round plump little ass. She was much too small and tight to take my cock so i just settled for rubbing my dick inbetween her crack and cumming all over the back of her head and on her ass. I love taking my tongue to a little girls ass. The shit hole is smooth and it taste pretty sweet when they're young. My daughter is 13 now and she helps me out finding new girls in the neighborhood. She babysits after to school and brings them over to our house and me and my daughter hav our way with them. One time there was as many as six little girls from 4 to 7 in my house and i layed them all infront of the tv with no bottoms on and licked and massaged my cock on all their asses. While my daughter fingered them and had them lick her pussy.

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1. GoodTimes posted that March 17, 2002 at 03:47 AM (server time). 2002!

2. GoodTimes now is 'unregistered'.

3. In such cases as this its nonesense to lump together the history of 5 minutes ago with the history of 5 years ago. Almost always not much changes in 5 minutes, but much can change in 5 years.

4. 5 years ago IB had only one moderator, Karen. She let that post stay, as she did this thread. What I have done added a current comment at the end of GoodTimes' post, but I respected Karen's decision to allow it to stay. (Remember, its her site and her legal liability, something I do not want to take onto myself!!!)

5. Adding a current comment to old posts probably is more effective in communicating to pedophiles thinking of registering here than deleting posts ever will be. Commenting means they'll see the message while deleting means they won't.

Yes, going forward that sort of post will be deleted as soon as Jenni or myself see it. Its a very clear transgression of IB's rules. If the post is repeated I may respond to let the poster know why the first post was deleted (while probably removing any renewed offense; I've already done that too) and report for banning any further attempts.

I think intelligent discourse about pedophilia does not fall into the same category as regular mention of sexual contact between kids and adults. If such discourse was as gutteral as the acts themselves, then there would be no room for research on the subject either. Besides, its not like we're funding research (discoourse) into unpopular subject matter; IB is only a place where such discourse can happen as free speech. (I invite anyone who abhors pedophilia to give your best intelligent counterpresentation to anyone offering here an 'intelligent' rational for pedophilia. Countering thought for thought is the best way to handle such postings, I believe.)

Karen was certainly opposed to inflamatory posts, name calling and that sort of thing, but permitted most anything else.

If anyone other than Karen starts drawing moral guide lines, then this will no longer be Karen's site.

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Originally posted by LoverGuy:
I believe that anything that was and is allowed by Keren, should be allowed now.

Karen was certainly opposed to inflamatory posts, name calling and that sort of thing, but permitted most anything else.

If anyone other than Karen starts drawing moral guide lines, then this will no longer be Karen's site.

LG.

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1) "I love the smell of Napalm in the moring" - LtCol "Wild" Bill Kilgore (Robert Duvall)

2) "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet." ("Kill them all. God will know his own.") - Arnaud-Amaury, the Abbot of Citeaux

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Originally posted by Mort:
Here's a question for all you high moral perverts out there?

What is murder?
I have a friend who was in an undeclared war and he killed. He was ORDERED to kill! Now, to all those with high morals out there in IBland, is that murder?

I am sure that there are people that would say that my friend did murder and would prosecute if they could, but in our country, it was a sanctioned hit.

I like to read the archives and I found something simular to what my friend did in Viet Nam.

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Originally posted by ZOR:
Damn, this thread is hard to read!

Sol or b4rry, PLEASE get it fixed!!!

PLEASE????

Now to the moral issue:

This one would probably fit better
in "INTERNATIONAL POLITICS".

Murder is a little different from war.
Murder is when someone breaks the law
by putting to death someone they hate,
taking the law into their own hands &
usurping the roll of executioner. Even
God in the Bible sanctions war, orders it
occasionally. In a way, it could be
regarded as mass-murder. It is sometimes
a necessary evil, just as sometimes it
is necessary for an individual to fight in self-defence.

Of course, you can just stand there or run
away if you object to fighting, but there
also a penalty for that. Well, there is always "conscientious objection", but one usually has to join a religious group that
objects to war to give it validity in the
government's eyes. The Adventists, who
object to war, will allow their youths to
sign up as medics though.

I probably have not answered the question.
I dodged the draft by getting a 4F
exemption. I had once attempted suicide,
so was considered unfit for military duty.
I had just as much objection to getting
killed as I did to killing others, but I
did seriously object. Okay, I had once
tried to kill myself, but that is a different story, & I can thank my unstable
mom for that boon.

The Vietnam vets have been treated like
shit for fighting in that undeclared war.
Even my own dad, who lost a son in it,
called them "candy-asses". He got in on
the tail end of WW2 & claimed to have
served as a mercenary later, & bragged
about having killed. And he hated "gooks".
He was taught to hate the Japs, & he
extended that hatred to any Oriental.
Jesus says if you hate in your heart
you are already guilty of murder, just as
if you lust for a woman in your heart he
considers you already an adulterer. I
think that is a bit too extreme.

But I DO hate war & wish it could be
abolished. I just can't imagine how that
will ever come to pass, unless God steps
in & makes us behave, ruling the nations
"with a rod of iron" as the book of Daniel
prophesies.

War is bad. Murder is bad. Hate is bad.
Hate is what leads to the first two.
IF we could eliminate that motive....
Well, we can't, can we? We can't stop humans from being human, any more than we can stop boys from being boys.

"As a rule, man is a fool".

That's about enough rambling from this
old "moral pervert".

I guess to sum it up, I don't know the
answer. I doubt anyone does. Alas!

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